Thanks for getting back to me Martin, I will check the links. When you referred at the end about using the Portal Engine in ASPX, I am not looking for that but where you mention that for 6.0 I am interested in what that means more. I think the streams of what I was saying might have gotten confused. If I have an HTML page from a designer and need to convert that to a master page in the Portal Engine (not ASPX) and then create page templates based on that master page with flexible layouts defined by page layout. That start to finish is what I am looking for. I am VERY familiar with ASPX master page layouts and such, but doing it in the portal seems a bit cloudy. I will check the create a site from scratch link and see if that meets my suggestion.